Read the whole preface
text available at: http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/ph/phprefac.htm
Journals due on November 23.
Guidance questions
1. What's the commonness and difference between Hegel and Kant regarding scientific knowledge?
2. How do you understand the statement: "subject is pure and simple negativity" (Φ 18)?
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ReplyDeleteHegel also sees great importance in the scientific process just like Kant did, he feels that it would be pointless to just go about knowledge of science in a random direction without structure. The process itself is a large procedure which is not complete until all the steps and differebt parts are completed, making an interesting comparison to an acorn treey saying that if one wants the whole tree with all its components and branches they would not be satisfied with an acorn, just like science, if one desires to learb a large field, or a conclusion to a theory, he would not be satisfied with just a piece of it or a glimpse of what it might hold. After laying the foundation, and a lot of hard work, there is more possitbility for positive outcomes. :Subject is pure and simple negativity" is a difficult quote and part of a rather difficult topic in my opinion, I'm not sure if I am correct but I think the statement might mean that once there is negativity involved and when carrying out a negative process, and breaking it apart pehaps maybe by events or consequences when they are set in fron of each other there is two negations opposing each other, if thinking mathematically they cancel each other out?? It all seems confusing.
ReplyDeleteHe states that philosophy is a science in itself, so that means scientific measures might be applied to it. The negation of thought is part of a larger process of self-realization, just like the scientific inquiry is part of a larger process. To come to an end of conclusion, one must complete the necessary steps and processes to do so. In the beginning there is doubt of prefaces and how much they can actually serve as an introduction or an outline of what's to come, it seems that he does not want to give away information because the way that information was found (the process) will lose importance. The whole realization process seems to be a cycle but the results will not be valid unless they are completed with truth.
Hegel has a great deal of input towards scientific knowledge. Him and Kant do in fact share some similarities and differences. He states with confidence that the mind does not immediately grasp the objects in the world agreeing with Kant. Hegel and Kant also agree that concepts mediate matter. Some of the differences they have are on how Hegel looks on the way concepts come into being and Kant overlook it. And how Kant believes an Individual's mind controls thought and Hegels believes collective component to knowledge also exist. The statement subject is "pure and simple negativity" is a bit difficult to grasp. But in attempting to understand this statement i think it means the subject mediates, as to dispute with itself, that later on transitions from one position to the opposite.
ReplyDeleteHegel and Kant both share a great deal of knowledge in science. They also use very similar ways to learn, using a scientific process. Starting by using a certain method laying a strong foundation and gaining more knowledge and building toward your goal. The statement subject is "pure and simple negativity" is pretty confusing. But from what I understood is that whatever subject you study theirs a negative and it always conflicts somehow you end up getting a pure result.
ReplyDeleteHegel has a huge interest in scientific knowledge, just like Kant. However, both of them do not share the same idea or explanation about scientific knoeledge. They have their own arguments about it. I believe that the quote '' subject is pure and simple negativity'', can be explained in the following way; if a scientific is researching or studying a certain subjetc, it can be be accurate but at the same time the result of the study can be wrong and not right as expected. In other words, that subject can reflec an opposite side of a result, which has been expected.
ReplyDeletethe scientific part is a bit confusing to me i think he is saying that u can apply scientific concepts to find out the truth? "subject is pure and simple negativity" i think he is talking about looking into one self to f through meditation ind answers.Hegel talks about comming full circle with one self through u primal unity
ReplyDeleteHant and Hegel have different and similar ideas about the nature and condiction of human knowledge. They both agree that knowledge is more than receiving information through the senses. They both recognize that information that comes into the mind is always assist by frameworks of concepts in the mind. In other words, the mind possess frameworks from which it makes sense of the inputs it receives fron the physical world. I think one major difference they have is regarding to the differece between subject and object. For Kant that idea of the self(the subject) evolve from our self-awareness of our avility to think. On the other hand, for hegel the self is aware of its self through the eyes of another self, which would be an experience. I dont really undestand what Hegel means by "suject is pure and negativity", but i think what he is saying is that the suject, a process of duplicating and setting factors in oppsition, cannot reach true knowledge. Man philosophy is confusing!
ReplyDeleteAfter reading "The phenomenology of Spirit" by Hegel, i understood that he saw scientific knowledge as a very important aspect of our understanding and thought process. He also had separate views from Kant who believed that knowledge is not knowledge of “things-in-themselves,” or of pure inputs from the senses. Hegel believed that our mind does not immediately grasp the object of the world, but agrees with Kant that the concept of information entering the mind is “mediated”. Hegel also believed that an individuals mind is controlled by thoughts and that our senses gives us a certain kind of evidence of the world and how to make sense of it. I agree with Hegel's views, he makes a lot of sense even though somethings are unclear. As oppose to Descartes and Kant's views on scientific knowledge with can be a little paradoxical. I will have to read both Kant and Hegel's texts again to make more sense of them and hear what you have to debate professor.
ReplyDeleteHegel believes highly of science just as Kant does. No person can get a full knowledge without science. Hegel also thinks collective component to knowledege also exists. "Subject is pure and simple negativity", I would interpret to meen there always be something unknown about an experiment and will always remain unknown and that's negative because knowledge and science can't determine it.
ReplyDeleteWhat i got from this is that no person can obtain the amount of knowledge they want without some science.
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ReplyDeleteHegel and Kant are two sides of the same coin. They both agree that to gain knowledge you must incorporate a complex process called the scientific process. They both agree with the fact that to gain knowledge of something you must learn every single aspect of it for it to be complete knowledge and just parts because than it won't actually be knowledge. But they both disagree with each other when it comes to our selves. Hegel believes that we see the self through an other self and for Kant our self is our ability to think and their isn't another self. "Subject is pure and simple negativity" I can't understand this quote please go over it in class!
After reading what Hegel and kant had to say i come to find out that they both share common interest in science. They both believe that it would be usless to just go about knowledge of science in a random way without structure. Structure is very important because it takes step by step to find a solution. They both explain that science is philosophy because it get to the point just like math does. The only difference that i found is that kant believes that individual information is better that a goup effort, as for Hegal he likes that fact of sharing ideas and finding solutions together.
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Hegel and Kant agree that to gain knowledge one must use the scientific process, which means to examine and evaluate rather than judge on innate impulse. On the other hand Hegel believes that sharing ideas and information as a group is more accurate in finding solutions. This contradicts Kant's belief that an individual's thoughts can find the solution more accurately than a group. The statement "subject is pure and simple negativity" means that even if you test a subject using the scientific process there is still a chance of error as a result. I believe that through multiple tests one can be more accurate therefore gaining true knowledge.
in this section hegel says that consciousness is what leads us to science. i believe that science is also from consciousness. science talks about how things work, we know how things work by observing them and experimenting them. also we know that they exist because we experience that they exist by looking at them/by using our looking sense. hegel also says that objects seem to have different natures, we know this through science also i would say because knowledge and logic form consciousness and from our consciousness we know the difference between objects and how the objects perform.
ReplyDeleteAnd "subject is pure and simple negativity" means to me as if objects around were reflected to me as an image that object would not be able to see. or in other words i see one thing in a way that others will see it differently. that also means that other thing/person being observed also have its own image stored in it self, and that image is different from my own image, that is how i interpret this idea
hegel has a great deal of scientific knowledge .hegel and kant do in fact share some sore of same knowlede but difine it in very diffrent way.i think that what they are trying to explain how they can use knowlege weather is an object a place or thing to fine truth...but also how diffrent our own image can be to the the one whom they interpret.kant likes more self preference wat ur own thought is hegel is more of an ideal type he like to hear others opinion to c if in fact it can b compare to find the the truth...i think that kno matter how complicated it could b n how many can have self opinion some thing the truth is one...pure truth..
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